Re: [-empyre-] c*nt obsession

[Cristiano Bianchi <cristianobianchi@yahoo.com>]

 --- Eryk Salvaggio <eryk@maine.rr.com> wrote: > Okay
well, you seem to like your opinion, so I'll
> leave it alone.

Same here, regarding Damien's opinions.

Have a great 2003, everyone.

Cristiano

> Cheers,
> -e.
> 
> 
> 
> Damien Everett wrote:
> 
> >>> erik:
> >>> >It strikes me as a
> >>> profoundly absurd practice for a woman to refer
> to herself as a "cunt"
> >>> as a source of pride.
> >>>
> >>> Yes, because you think all women should
> subscribe to your definition 
> >>> of and belief structures surrounding what a
> "cunt" is?
> >>
> >>
> >> I'm not speaking for myself. I'm speaking for a
> society raised with a 
> >> culture of control by way of reduction of women
> exclusively to sexual 
> >> beings and mothers; both of which center around
> the vagina.
> >
> > What society is that? One without sisters,
> friends, grandmas, 
> > daughters, co-workers, teachers, healers... sounds
> terrible to me!
> >
> >>  The assertion by a woman that they are a "cunt"
> is not reclaiming 
> >> anything, even if it is based on obscure and
> innacurate 
> >> interpretations of early paganism. It's merely
> affirming what men are 
> >> already raised to believe: That a woman is a
> sexual organ; and that 
> >> the only means for that woman to obtain power is
> by way of that 
> >> sexual organ; and that men must "respect" [or,
> "worship"] that sexual 
> >> organ because it is the only route a woman can
> take to empowerment.
> >
> >
> >> I think very few people are capable of
> considering the "symbolic" and 
> >> "positive" aspects of a term that is a form of
> psychologically 
> >> degrading violence against women. Again, I am
> simply pointing out why 
> >> the word "cunt" is offensive to begin with.
> >
> >
> > "cunt" is not offensive to begin with:
> >
> > >The word you find so offensive is derived from
> the name of the
> > >Great Goddess Cunti, or Kunda, in her persona as
> the yoni or
> > > womb of the universe.  According to researcher
> and linguist
> > >Barbara G. Walker, other cognates are "cunabula,"
> a cradle or
> > >earliest abode; "Cunina," a Roman goddess who
> protected
> > >children in the cradle; "cunctipotent,"
> all-powerful (i.e., having
> > >"cunt-magic"); as well as the words cunning and
> ken: knowledge,
> > >learning, insight, remembrance and wisdom. Cunt
> is "not slang,
> > > dialect or any marginal form, but a true
> language word, and of
> > >the oldest stock."
> > >
> > >"Kin" originally meant not only matrilineal blood
> relations, but
> > >also a cleft or crevice, the Goddess's genital
> opening.  A
> > >Saharan tribe called Kuntahs traced their descent
> from this holy
> > >place.  In ancient writings, the word for "cunt"
> was synonymous
> > >with "woman," though not in the insulting modern
> sense, the
> > >way one of the words for "man" in Hebrew derives
> from its
> > >word for "penis."  The vulgarity is purely a
> modern construction;
> > >it was merely descriptive to those in the
> > >ancient world.
> >
> > >Latin Cunnus, Middle English Cunte, Old Norse
> Kunta, Old Frisian 
> > Kunte, Basque Kuna. That many words from cradle
> (cunabula) to 
> > cunctipotent (all powerful, omnipotent) to cunning
> (to know) derive 
> > from cunt? [Michael Dames, THE SILBURY TREASURE:
> THE GREAT GODDESS 
> > REDISCOVERED, Thames and Hudson Ltd, London,
> 1976.]
> >
> >> This is all extremely useless. I don't see why
> "worship" of one type 
> >> of sex organ over another is going to liberate
> anyone. Am I suddenly 
> >> to feel inferior for not having a vagina?
> >
> > The point I and others have repeatedly been making
> is that "cunt" is 
> > NOT just about the sex organ, its just that many
> are unable to 
> > appreciate this due to their cultural programming.
> You seem to believe 
> > cyberfeminists exclusively define themselves as
> c*nts as a sexual 
> > metaphor and that it is the only aspect of their
> self representation 
> > they intend...
> >
> > Language is dynamic and adaptive, and art is often
> subversive in 
> > nature and seeks to shock and break down such
> incorrect preconceived 
> > ideas.
> >
> > to reiterate the words of Julianne Pierce:
> >
> > >One of the strategies to do this was to use
> language and to reclaim 
> > language which is negative or derogatory towards
> women. The word 
> > 'cunt' can be offensive...and has obviously been
> offensive to some on 
> > this list!! But for us it was about using this
> word in a positive way, 
> > to say that we are cunts and proud of it....in
> other versions of the 
> > manifesto we replace the word 'cunt' with 'kunst',
> we make art with 
> > our 'kunst'. We were also interested in the
> relationship of the body 
> > to the computer...that the Matrix is another word
> for the womb and 
> > that the cunt or clitoris is a direct line to the
> Matrix.
> >
> > now can we get past the cunt obsession thing yet?
> > d
> >
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